Reasonable Measures

Reasonable Measures

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Not yet ranked as the #1 Trade Secrets-related podcast in the world, Timothy Londergan and Chris Buntel discuss the latest developments in trade secrets and litigation. New episodes every week. Tim and Chris both found their way to intellectual property by way of chemistry. Organic chemistry PhDs to be exact. Chris had not had enough school so decided to go to law school and became a patent attorney while Tim jumped feet first into the start-up scene. A few years and a few companies later they united to build the first Enterprise SaaS platform for managing trade secrets.

Episodes

From Copyright to Trade Secrets: Anthropic’s Impact on AI & IP
01October 08, 2025 5:50pm

From Copyright to Trade Secrets: Anthropic’s Impact on AI & IP

In this episode of Reasonable Measures, Tim Londergan and Chris Buntel unpack one of the biggest developments in intellectual property this year: the 1.5 billion dollar Anthropic copyright settlement. The discussion explores what the case m…

When Trade Secrets Drive M&A featuring Ray Miller
02September 04, 2025 2:35pm

When Trade Secrets Drive M&A featuring Ray Miller

In this episode of Reasonable Measures, Chris Buntel welcomes longtime colleague Ray Miller, Partner at DLA Piper and Chair of the Life Sciences practice, to discuss the evolving role of trade secrets in mergers and acquisitions. While pate…

Episode 17: The Lifecycle of Trade Secret Protection featuring Raluca David
03August 28, 2025 4:11pm

Episode 17: The Lifecycle of Trade Secret Protection featuring Raluca David

In this episode of the Reasonable Measures podcast, Chris Buntel is joined by Raluca Davidof Insight Contracts Law Firm in France for an international discussion on a deceptively tricky issue: drawing the line between an employee’s professi…

How a Century-Old Rule Still Shapes Trade Secrets
04August 04, 2025 4:01pm

How a Century-Old Rule Still Shapes Trade Secrets

 In this episode Tim and Chris unpack the Inevitable Disclosure Doctrine, a century old trade secret rule that began in 1902 when a sugar refinery worker was blocked from joining a competitor. They explain how the doctrine works, the three …

AI is eating your IP
05May 21, 2025 5:17pm

AI is eating your IP

SummaryIn this conversation, Tim and Chris examine how artificial intelligence is reshaping the landscape of intellectual property, particularly in patent law and trade secret strategy. They explore the concept of FOSITA (person of ordinary…

Monkey Selfies & AI Inventions
06April 14, 2025 7:15pm

Monkey Selfies & AI Inventions

In this episode of Reasonable Measures, Tim and Chris explore how artificial intelligence (AI) is colliding with intellectual property (IP) law, particularly focusing on copyrights, patents, and trade secrets. They highlight legal challenge…

$1.8 Billion and Counting, The Cost of Trade Secret Theft
07March 17, 2025 1:14pm

$1.8 Billion and Counting, The Cost of Trade Secret Theft

In this episode of the Reasonable Measures podcast, Tim and Chris return after a busy start to the year to dive into a landmark trade secret case: Phillips 66 v. Propel Fuels. They unpack how Propel secured a $604.9 million judgment—later t…

Trade Secret Litigation Lightning Round
08December 19, 2024 1:15pm

Trade Secret Litigation Lightning Round

In this episode of the Reasonable Measures podcast, Tim and Chris discuss three notable trade secret cases from Latvia, China, and the United States. They explore the implications of whistleblower retaliation, the intersection of trade secr…

The one kind of trade secret stolen more than any other
09November 12, 2024 2:30pm

The one kind of trade secret stolen more than any other

The most frequently litigated cases don't have to be the most boring. Discover why customer lists are the most litigated trade secrets in this episode with Tim and Chris. They break down  recent cases to highlight common mistakes and offer …

How to get busted stealing a business and lose $96M in court
10October 02, 2024 7:53pm

How to get busted stealing a business and lose $96M in court

In this Episode of Reasonable Measures, Chris Buntel and Tim Londergan discuss the recent legal case of Prysmian v. Sterlite, where an executive packaged up a business and walked across the street. This is a fascinating if not all-too-famil…

Trade Secret Damages are Calculated Globally!
11September 30, 2024 3:39pm

Trade Secret Damages are Calculated Globally!

Motorola Solutions v. Hytera Communications sets a nice precedent. In this episode of Reasonable Measures, Tim and Chris discuss the significant legal case involving Motorola Solutions and Hytera, focusing on trade secret misappropriation a…

Appian's $2B Trade Secret Win Goes "Poof"
12August 15, 2024 4:14pm

Appian's $2B Trade Secret Win Goes "Poof"

Tim and Chris discuss the reversal and remand of the Appian Pegasystems case, which involved a $2 billion damages award. The original case gained attention for its massive damage award and the systematic theft of trade secrets by Pegasystem…

Record Breaking Judgement in Trade Secret Case
13July 25, 2024 7:46pm

Record Breaking Judgement in Trade Secret Case

Summary In this episode, Tim and Chris discuss a recent trade secret misappropriation case in China, which resulted in a record-breaking judgment of 640 million RMB (about 88 million USD). They highlight the significance of this case in re…

The Professor Owes His Students $26.6M
14June 28, 2024 12:00pm

The Professor Owes His Students $26.6M

Imagine suing your former graduate students for stealing trade secrets to the tune of $849M in damages, but losing the case and having to pay them $26.6M. SigmaPharm Laboratories v. ex-employees is a highly unusual case that touches on a wi…

A Trade Secret Love Triangle - Boeing owes Zunum $72M
15June 18, 2024 12:48pm

A Trade Secret Love Triangle - Boeing owes Zunum $72M

Zunum thought they had the perfect partner. Boeing cheated and left them at the alter. Tim & Chris pick apart the recent Zunum decision where they were awarded $81.2 million total on the trade secrets misappropriation claims and an addition…

Samsung BOE trade secret case at the ITC
16May 23, 2024 3:52pm

Samsung BOE trade secret case at the ITC

We discuss how trade secret owners can use the ITC (International Trade Commission) as a way to block goods from being imported into the USA. This is an interesting, and very different, alternative to traditional lawsuits in state or federa…

The Battle Over the FTC Ban on Non-Compete Agreements
17May 14, 2024 4:42pm

The Battle Over the FTC Ban on Non-Compete Agreements

Tim and Chris turn their focus to the post FTC fight and the three cases looking to upend the ban on non-compete agreements.  They also take a peak at Jane Street vs. Millennium Management case where two ex-employees accused of stealing tra…

Trade secret misappropriation by an FDA official?
18May 06, 2024 9:28pm

Trade secret misappropriation by an FDA official?

Tim and Chris discuss an ongoing case, VANDA PHARMACEUTICALS v. United States, which highlights the potential trade secret misappropriation by an FDA official!!  This is preceded by a quick discussion of the FTC decision to ban non-compete…

All Roads Lead to India
19April 30, 2024 5:46pm

All Roads Lead to India

Tim and Chris talk about Plintron Technologies trade secret misappropriation case against some former executives, and Chris’s recent trip to India to spend time with our investor and partner Wipro and their legal services team.