Inside the Life
Season 3 out now! Tune in weekly. Inside the Life is a podcast produced by The Mob Museum, the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement. It is hosted by two former elite undercover agents, Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin. Their stories of infiltrating everything from the American Mob and outlaw motorcycle gangs to the cartels will leave you stunned. This podcast will give listeners a one-of-a-kind look into the inner world of organized crime, featuring guests who have lived on both sides of the law, risked it all and emerged to tell the tale. Inside the Life promises to...
Episodes
Scott Payne – FBI Agent Who Went Undercover to Expose White Supremacists
Welcoming their former colleague to the show, Giovanni and Dutch sit down with ex-FBI undercover agent Scott “Big Country” Payne on this episode of Inside the Life. After publishing his 2025 book “Code Name: Pale Horse,” Scott joins the pod…
Justin “Mooch” DeLoretto – Ex-Mongols Chapter President Turned Social Worker and Author
In the first episode of Inside the Life’s third season, Giovanni and Dutch welcome former Mongols Motorcycle Club Oregon and Missouri chapter president Justin “Mooch” DeLoretto. As the first patched outlaw motorcycle club member on Inside t…
Terry Rankhorn – Pioneer in Cybercrime Undercover Operations
Terry Rankhorn is a legend in the world of undercover work. In his over 20-year career with the FBI, Rankhorn was one of the first FBI undercover operatives to infiltrate major computer hacking groups, including organizations such as Global…
Bob Delaney – The Story of an Undercover Agent Turned NBA Referee
On a pioneering task force, Bob Delaney went from New Jersey State Trooper to undercover in some of the biggest east coast Mob families. In this episode, Delaney spoke to Giovanni and Dutch about how he was recruited to work undercover, the…
Myron Sugerman – The Jewish Mobster with an International Coin-Op Operation
Myron Sugerman’s 60-year career as an international mobster in the business of slot machines and casinos took him all over the world, learning from notorious Mob figures such as Abner “Longie” Zwillman and Meyer Lansky. In this episode of I…
Mike Moy – Ex-Fuk Ching Gang Member Turned NYPD Detective
Mike Moy was only 16 years old when he joined the Brooklyn faction of the Fuk Ching gang. In this episode of Inside the Life, Moy shares stories of his upbringing and the events that led him to change his trajectory and join the NYPD. Havin…
Pierre “Pete” Charette – The Undercover DEA Agent Who Took Down the French Connection
A native of Quebec, Canada, Pete Charette tells his story of becoming the Drug Enforcement Administration’s go-to French speaking agent, traveling across the globe for DEA undercover operations. In this episode, Pete, often known as “French…
Michael Corleone Blanco – Author and Son of “Godmother” Griselda Blanco
Michael Corleone Blanco didn’t have a typical childhood. As the youngest son of “Cocaine Godmother” Griselda Blanco, his earliest memories of his life include stories of family love and loyalty, opulence and violence. In this gripping episo…
Michele Rigby Assad – Former CIA Operative and Author
In this rare appearance from a former Central Intelligence Agency operative, Michele Rigby Assad details how she, as a young woman from small town America, went on to work in one of the world’s most misunderstood and dangerous geopolitical …
Anthony Ruggiano Jr. – Ex-Mob Associate's Journey From the Gambino Crime Family to the Witness Bench
In this episode, Anthony Ruggiano Jr. details his life as son of Gambino enforcer and hitman Anthony “Fat Andy” Ruggiano. From a teen partying at the Copacabana, to his severe struggle with drug addiction and years in witness protection, th…
Steve Murphy – The DEA Agent Who Helped Take Down Drug Lord Pablo Escobar
Sitting down with Giovanni and Dutch, Steve Murphy shares his journey from being a police officer in a town of fewer than 20,000 people to becoming one of the DEA agents most synonymous with the takedown of narco-terrorist and MedellĂn Cart…
Jay Dobyns – ATF Agent Responsible for Infiltrating Hells Angels Motorcycle Club
In this episode, retired Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent Jay Dobyns sits down with Giovanni and Dutch to share how he went from getting shot on his fourth day on the job to successfully infiltrating the Hells Angels Motorcycle Clu…
Lew Rice – Former DEA SAC on His Time in NYC, Miami, Jamaica and with Kingpin Frank Lucas
Long inspired by his father, a Harlem NYPD detective, and confronted by the 1970s heroin epidemic in New York City which affected many of his young-adult peers returning from the Vietnam War, Lew Rice found his calling with the Drug Enforce…
Vincent Pastore – “Sopranos” Star Talks Career, Nightlife Industry and Experience with Wiseguys
Best known for his role as Salvatore “Big Pussy” Bonpensiero on HBO’s hit series “The Sopranos,” Giovanni and Dutch welcome actor Vincent Pastore to Inside the Life. In this episode, Vincent, Giovanni and Dutch chop it up, discussing everyt…
Patricia Naughton – Outlaw Bikers, the Mafia and Clandestine Labs with One of DEA’s First Female Undercover Agents
One of the DEA’s first female undercover agents, Patricia Naughton sits down with Giovanni and Dutch to talk about her experience inside the life. While bonding over the risks they were all willing to take, Naughton describes how she went f…
John Gleeson – The Prosecutor Responsible for Convicting “The Teflon Don” John Gotti
In a rare interview, John Gleeson, the former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, shares his experiences as a prosecutor in the government’s 1986 and 1992 cases against Gambino crime family boss John Gotti. Sitting…
Salvatore “Sally Ubatz” Polisi – Ex-Colombo Crime Family Associate and Organized Crime Expert Witness
Power, money, greed and image – Sal Polisi’s firsthand experience as a Colombo associate during the Mafia’s height in 1970s New York City is a testament to the Mob’s violence and disregard for public safety. In this episode, Polisi tells ho…
Chris Brancato – Showrunner, Writer and Producer Best Known for "Narcos" and "Godfather of Harlem"
In this episode, co-hosts Dutch McAlpin and Giovanni Rocco speak with television and film creator, writer and producer Chris Brancato. As the showrunner of organized crime television dramas “Narcos” and “Godfather of Harlem,” Brancato explo…
Kathrine Narducci – Famed “Sopranos,” “Alto Knights” Actress Talks Life, Art and Mob Films
Actress Kathrine Narducci offers hosts Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin a firsthand look into the world of Mob television and film. Exploring her work as an actress, Narducci shares how she beat out more than 2,500 women for her first role,…
Javier Peña – DEA Agent on the Case of Colombian Narco Kingpin Pablo Escobar
Javier Peña, the retired Drug Enforcement Administration agent whose fight to take down MedellĂn Cartel kingpin Pablo Escobar was dramatized in Netflix’s “Narcos,” sits down with hosts Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin to share the real stor…
Frank Calabrese Jr. – The Reformed Chicago Outfit Associate Behind Operation Family Secrets
Reformed mobster and son of notorious Chicago Outfit enforcer and hitman Frank Calabrese Jr. sits down with former undercover agents Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin to share his story of family, violence, addiction and life inside the Chic…
Frank Panessa – DEA Agent Behind the Takedown of the Pizza Connection
Narcotics trafficking is a global problem. Agents who are sent to fight it can find themselves deep undercover on foreign soil. In this episode, hosts Dutch McAlpin and Giovanni Rocco sit down with retired Drug Enforcement Administration ag…
The One With the Hot Dog: Giovanni and Dutch on Working Together
Who can you trust? In this captivating episode, hosts Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin discuss how their undercover work intersected at the most opportune and dire times, including an unforgettable Las Vegas dinner with a DeCavalcante crime…
Meet Dutch McAlpin
Welcome to Inside the Life, a podcast produced by The Mob Museum, the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement. In this episode of Inside the Life, we introduce host and former elite undercover agent Dutch McAlpin. Dutch’s har…
Meet Giovanni Rocco
Welcome to Inside the Life, a podcast produced by The Mob Museum, the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement. In this episode, meet host and elite undercover agent Giovanni Rocco. Through Operation Charlie Horse, Rocco was r…
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Inside the Life is a new podcast produced by The Mob Museum, the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement. It is hosted by two former elite undercover agents, Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin. Their stories of infiltrating ev…