DEVIANT
From the award-winning creators of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tell good stories about bad people who do very bad things. Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired... to be Deviant. Follow the show wherever you listen and across socials @deviant.podcast (IG, TT, YT)
Episodes
The Now and the New
Join Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden as they discuss recent updates in the cases they've been following, including the Devil's Den murders in Arkansas. The hosts share their thoughts on various policing strategies, polygraph use and extremi…
Off Script: Scammers and Red Flags
You've been conned, and now you're getting revenge. That's the story of Johnathan Walton, our guest on DEVIANT Off Script. In this episode, Johnathan shares his harrowing experience of being swindled out of nearly $100,000 by a professional…
The Devil in The Den
On a summer afternoon hike in Arkansas' Devil's Den State Park, tragedy strikes a family when Clinton and Cristin Brink are attacked in front of their children. The children survive. Their parents don't. The assailant: a mysterious man dre…
A Reckoning: Clark Fredericks Confronts Abuse
LISTENER DISCRETION ADVISED In this episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden engages in a deep and intense conversation with Clark Fredericks, author of 'Scarred.' Fredericks recounts his harrowing journey of surviving childhood sexu…
Summer School: Mindhunting
In this episode of Deviant Summer School, host Andrew Iden sits down with Michael Yoder, a former agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), here to explain how criminal profiling actually works. From dispelling Hollywood misconcept…
Detecting Lies with Brad Beeler
We're diving dive deep into the world of polygraphs, interrogations, and lie detection with Brad Beeler, a former Secret Service agent with 25 years of experience. Brad shares insights from his illustrious career in protective services and …
Summer School: Finding Missing Children
Have you ever wondered how police handle a missing child case? In this episode of Deviant Summer School, retired detective Jeff Bell, who worked for the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, shares his experiences and insights. He discusses his…
Catching Spies
(AUDIO ONLY) How do you catch a spy if you're an FBI counterintelligence agent? In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the 80-year cat-and-mouse game of espionage. Host Dan Szematowicz interviews LaRae Quy, a former FBI agent w…
Summer School: Solving Homicides, Part 2
(PART 2/2) In Part 2 of our DEVIANT Summer School class on homicide investigations, retired Chicago Police homicide Detective Mike Hammond takes us through the intricate process of catching killers. From establishing motive and gathering ev…
Corrections Officer to True Crime
In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career …
Summer School: Solving Homicides, Part 1
(PART 1/2) It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from…
Off Script: Investigating "Murderland"
From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of …
Summer School: Policing America
Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD…
Off Script: Catching Scammers with Jerri Williams
Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her n…
Introducing: My Best Friends Killer
In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on …
Inside the Secretive World of Air Marshals
The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air…
Off Script: The FBI's Sleep Expert
Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routin…
The Hunt for Grant Hardin
On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state…
From Crack Wars to Crime Novels: Patrick O'Donnell's Journey
(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. P…
Witness to an Execution
Former journalist Michael Mayo recounts his experience covering the executions of two serial killers for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Mayo details the emotional journey of interviewing victims' families, and witnessing the executions of …
Sex and Crime: Doug Fifer Has Seen It All
Sex is an integral part of human nature, but it sometimes intersects with crime in troubling ways. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Doug Fifer, a former Anchorage Police Department officer renowned …
On the Front Lines of the Drug War
Brian Townsend, a retired DEA agent, shares his journey into federal law enforcement, his experiences with drug enforcement, nd his views on the ongoing battle against drug addiction in the United States. From his early days in Missouri and…
The Download
We get a lot of questions and a lot of comments, so in this episode, DEVIANT hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tackles them all. How does DEVIANT get made? How do we choose stories? Do Andrew and Dan hate each other? Your questions and …
Busting Motorcycle Gangs and White Supremacists
(2/2) In part two of our conversation with retired FBI agent Scott Payne, host Andrew Iden continues his deep dive into Steve’s years spent undercover in some of America's most dangerous circles. In part two, Scott delves into his experienc…
Undercover with America's Extremists
(1/2) In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the world of undercover law enforcement with retired FBI agent Scott Payne. Scott takes us through his incredible journey of infiltrating outlaw biker gangs, neo-Nazis, the KKK, and …
The Cory Barron Homicide
In 2014, Cory Barron is out for a night of fun at a stadium in Cleveland. He’s there to see Jason Aldean, and by all accounts, he’s having a great time. And then, he’s gone, seemingly into thin air. A few days later, his body is found in a …
And our next story is...
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From Gangs to Good: Iran Nazario's Journey
In this powerful episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden delves into the extraordinary life of Iran Nazario. Once entrenched in gang violence and crime, Iran turned his life around after years of struggle, trauma, and incarceration.…
Interrogations: Serial Killers
Serial killers are natural deceivers, but hearing them describe their crimes in their own words has big value. It can help us understand how their minds work, and gives investigators the tools to catch future killers. In this episode, DEVIA…
Introducing: Morning Cup of Murder
A special look at daily true crime pod, Morning Cup of Murder. Morning Cup of Murder delivers daily true crime stories in quick, bite-sized episodes. With over 2,000 episodes and more than 40 million downloads, host Korina Biemesderfer, ha…
Inside NYPD Blue: A Conversation with Andrea Thompson
Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he gets to know Andrea Thompson, one of the stars of the groundbreaking TV show NYPD Blue. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea discusses her journey into acting, her experiences on the show, and he…
Unsolved Mysteries and Small-Town Policing
In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden interviews former police chief and US Marshal Rick McCubbin. Rick delves into the unique challenges and experiences of leading small-town police departments, contrasting them with his …
The Hart Family Murders: Epilogue
DEVIANT's exploration of the Hart Family homicides concludes with hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz finding conclusions, searching for truths and trying to answer the big question: "why?" Also, we play some of the sound that we weren't …
Alan Duke: From Small-Town DJ to Top Crime Reporter
Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he speaks with Alan Duke, a veteran reporter, editor, and producer with a long tenure at CNN. Duke shares his journey from a local DJ in Carrollton, Georgia, to covering major celebrity trials and true-crime…
The Hart Family Murders (5/5): Last Stop
(Part 5/5)In our final episode on the Hart Family murders, DEVIANT host Andrew Iden explores the pivotal moments leading up to the family leaving their home in Washington, and talk to the neighbors who lived across the driveway about what t…
Inside Criminal Law with Kirby Clements
In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden sits down with Atlanta-based defense attorney Kirby Clements. Kirby, who has experience on both sides of the legal system as a former prosecutor, provides a compelling look into the Am…
The Hart Family Murders (4/5): Failure
(Part 4/5) In our latest episode of DEVIANT, Andrew Iden looks at the Hart Family case through the lens of an adoption system that may have failed to protect, and a process that favored two women who would become abusers, and then murderers…
The Hart Family Murders (3/5): The Facade
(Part 3/5)When the Hart Family arrived at events and concerts, people noticed. Image was everything. And that was by Jen Hart's design...she curated a well crafted image. In this week’s episode, Deviant's Andrew Iden explores the careful fa…
The Hart Family Murders (2/5): Eliminate Doubt
(Part 2/5)Following the decision to rule the Hart family crash an intentional act, Sheriff Tom Allman holds a coroner’s inquest, which reveals the haunting 48 hours leading up to the crash, and a clearer picture of who Jen and Sarah Hart we…
The Hart Family Murders (1/5): A Thousand Words
(PART 1/5)To outside appearances, Jennifer and Sarah Hart are the model of a happy modern family. They're married, have six adopted children and are always going on adventures. And then, in March of 2018, the Harts drive their van off a cli…