Behind Gray Walls
“Behind Gray Walls” is a podcast featuring stories from the men and women who lived and worked at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Each week, Anthony, Samuel, and Skye explore prisoners whose crimes led them to serve time at the "Old Pen." Their history is explored in depth and compared to corrections topics faced in communities today. To support this podcast, visit: https://history.idaho.gov/donate/donation-payment/
Episodes
EP 102 - LIVE! Lei And Tucker
In this live episode, recorded on March 27, 2025, at the Podfort stage at Boise Contemporary Theater during Treefort Music Festival, Anthony shares the story of Walter Lei (#7062 & #8174), a scrappy barroom brawler with a tragic connection …
EP 101 - Mccollum and Chambers
In our first episode back after a rather extended break, we’re ready to hit the ground running! First, Skye tells Anthony and Samuel about a woman whose tumultuous relationship leads to some unfortunate outcomes #8568 Zona McCollum (Assault…
EP 100 - An Audio Tour of the Old Idaho Penitentiary
In this episode, Anthony, Samuel, and Skye are joined by the voices of the men and women who lived and worked at the prison to guide visitors through the site. Drawing from oral histories of wardens, chaplains, matrons, guards, and prisoner…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Eric Overzet on Boise Sandstone
In this rock-solid Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Samuel chip away at history with Old Pen staff member Eric Overzet, who quarries the fascinating story of the Old Pen's iconic building material - Table Rock’s sandstone.
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Steve North On The 75th Anniversary of the Merci Train Boxcar
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews Steve North, Old Idaho Penitentiary Volunteer and Commander of the Boise Chapter of the Forty and Eight. Steve dives into the captivating history of the Merci Train Boxcar, a symbol of gr…
EP 99 - Reasoner And Trafton
In our 99th episode (can you believe it?), Skye has an extra short story because Samuel has an extra long story! Starting with the shorter, Skye discusses a young woman whose early hard-knock life made it difficult to adjust to life as an a…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Kirsten Corbett On Jackson Hole
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, Samuel interviews Kirsten Corbett, Exhibits & Communications Director at the Jackson Hole History Museum. Kirsten discusses the rich history of Jackson Hole and shares insights about the opening of the bran…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Jan Cerney on Calamity Jane and Her Siblings
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Samuel and Skye interview author Jan Cerney about her 2016 book Calamity Jane and Her Siblings: The Saga of Lena and Elijah Canary, in which she uncovers the tumultuous Canary family relationships often overlo…
EP 98 - Pickett And Garland
In this episode, Anthony shares the story of James Pickett (Murder), an Irishman whose possibly accidental killing led to his imprisonment in Idaho's oldest standing Territorial jail and ignited a debate over jurisdiction for crimes committ…
EP 97 - John Springer
On this episode, Samuel regales Anthony and Skye with the life story of a sheriff in Owyhee County whose refusal to use a gun in the old west town of Silver City ended with a stint in the prison - as the warden, that is.
EP 96 - Big River Paranormal
In this special spooky-season episode, Anthony and Samuel sit down with Marie, Madison, Sidney, and Tina from Big River Paranormal. They discuss their investigative philosophy, the tools they use, and share some of the chilling experiences …
EP 95 - Grooms And Bitt
On this our last episode before a small break, Anthony regales Skye and Samuel with the complicated story of possibly-blind and heavily tattooed (like 2/3 of the podcasts' hosts) #11401 (Forgery) #12493 (Murder in the First Degree and Escap…
EP 94 - Harder And Brundridge
In this episode, Samuel guides Anthony and Skye through the intertwined stories of Willis Brundridge (#716, Grand Larceny) and Ira Harder (#679, Second-Degree Murder) as they explore the events that led to Brundridge being incarcerated alon…
EP 93 - Brooks And Sayer
In this episode, Skye covers Mrs. H. E. Brooks #4238 (Involuntary Manslaughter) who found support behind the walls of the Idaho State Penitentiary despite her record behind the wheel, and Anthony covers John Sayer #1912 (Abortion) who nearl…
EP 92 - LIVE! Rosso, Women's Ward Prose, And A Rock And Roll Redemption
In this live episode, recorded on March 21, 2024, at the Podfort stage during the Treefort Music Festival, Samuel discusses moonshiner Frank Rosso #3003 (Manufacture of Intoxicating Liquor), Skye shares poetry and art published in the priso…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Dr. Skye on the Sun Valley Ski Resort
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, our guest might be familiar to some of you - it’s Dr. Skye! On a highly nepotistic episode, Dr. Skye joins us not just as an Idaho historian but as an American cultural historian too! She tells us a little …
EP 91 - Wild And Valle
On the first episode of our TENTH season (we can’t believe it, either), Anthony, Skye, and Samuel open the season a little wild…William Wild, that is! Hear about Penitentiary barber #2368 Wild (Grand Larceny) whose skill in cutting men’s ha…
32 Cells: Artistic Reflections on the Old Idaho Penitentiary
In this off-season episode, the team celebrates the release of 32 Cells: Artistic Reflections on the Old Idaho Penitentiary, a new book featuring over 70 local and regional artists that chronicles the first five years of the iconic 32 Cells…
EP 90 - Peterson And Rice
In this very heavy episode, Skye and Anthony close the season with two stories of people whose states of mental health lead to some emotional moments and incredibly tragic stories, #7035 Ethelyn Irene Peterson (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Matthew Connelly On Alcatraz
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, the team interviews Matthew Connelly, lead park ranger at Alcatraz Island. Matthew provides an overview of the renowned prison's history, delves into the daily experiences of both the residents and staff on th…
EP 89 - Dainard And Farr
In a completely coincidental yet oddly-Rathdrum-history-heavy penultimate episode, the original duo are back in with Sam in the commenter's chair. Anthony starts, covering a man of many names whose felony in Idaho was one of the least inter…
EP 88 - Peterson And Dr. Collister
On today’s episode, Skye tells the story of a young woman whose husband, in the 1950s, was a real door-to-door vacuum salesman(!) #10351 Donna Mae Peterson (Burglary). Meanwhile, first-time host, Charlee, tells the story of one of the most …
Ep 87 - "Teton" Jackson And Canton
In this week's special episode, Skye comes to the episode empty-handed (school is hard) and Anthony-less (work is hard) and instead comments on Samuel's masterful telling of #111 William "Teton" Jackson (Grand Larceny) whose story intersect…
EP 86 - Ghosts Of The Territory
Join all three hosts around the campfire for a whole host of spooky Idaho stories from the 1880s through the 1940s - some of these stories may not be related to the Penitentiary directly, but they’ll still send some chills up your spine - a…
EP 85 - King And Bearup
On today’s episode, Skye relates the story of a young woman whose training in beauty school got her a few extra perks #11513 LaLonda Lee King (Robbery) and Anthony tells the story of a young man who had a real knack for escaping until the v…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Gunfight At Grave Creek
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye hang up their spurs again to hear Samuel share the fascinating story of six-shooter-Jack and the Gunfight at Grave Creek. Listener discretion is advised.
EP 84 - Herbert And Atkinson
Today, all three hosts are together, with Anthony working as our star commentator. Samuel shares the story of a young man who was, at worst, a murderer, and at his most intriguing, an assassin #286 Oscar “Tex” Selene Herbert (Murder in the …
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Jennifer Hills On The Stricker Homesite and Rock Creek Station
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews Jennifer Hills, President of the Friends of Stricker, and discusses the fascinating history of Rock Creek Station and the Stricker Homesite which served as a stopping point along the Oregon …
EP 83 - Dowdle And Smith
In this week’s episode, Anthony is back and ready to regale us with the tale of an old Mormon pioneer whose desire for revenge ended up being his downfall William Dowdle (Grand Larceny) and a young woman who was accused of being a “Moll” (s…
EP 82 - Gooch And Ridgeway
This week, Samuel steps into Anthony’s spot and covers one of our earliest residents, a stagecoach driver from Deadwood, South Dakota, whose gun duel carried some big consequences #16 Samuel Ridgeway (Murder) and Skye examines a woman who w…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Camille Daw On Ralph Poindexter
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday recorded in 2022, Anthony interviews then Old Pen tour guide Camille Daw, who tells the exciting and tragic story of Ralph Poindexter #12596 (Grand Larceny). Camille now works as the Program and Outreach Manag…
EP 81 - LIVE! Rock And Star And Douglas
In this episode recorded live on March 23rd, 2023 on the Storyfort stage during Treefort Music Festival, Anthony covers Tom Rock #3786 and M J Star #3787 (Grand Larceny), the daring duo fresh out of the Ada County jail who stole a car while…
EP 80 - Tate And May
In our first episode back of the new season, Anthony introduces us to Warden Raymond May, whose progressive ideas focused on humanity, not crime, while Skye opens the season with a woman who liked to stretch the truth, including when she si…
Season 9 Trailer
We're back to work bringing you Idaho history and the stories of the men and women who worked and resided at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Stay tuned!
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Franziska Borders On Wilmbusse's Letter
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Franziska Borders, Adjunct of German at Boise State University. Franziska translated a censored letter sent to German farmer turned hypnotist turned murderer Henry Wilmbusse #852 covered…
EP 79 - Lacey And Arnold
On the last episode of the season (and the first of the new year), Skye and Anthony talk about two pretty intense stories – first of a woman whose husband died by hamburger (sort of) #7610 Elizabeth Lottie Lacey (Murder in the First Degree)…
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Suzanne Squires On Mike Donnelly
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with return guest Suzanne Squires to discuss the many crimes and escapes of Mike Donnelly #3302 (Murder in the 1st Degree).
EP 78 - Littles And Lennon
On today’s episode, the last of the year, Anthony and Skye examine the stories of a father and son whose main meeting was inside the prison walls #4536 Roy Little (Forgery) and #4619 James Little (Grand Larceny) and a woman who definitely h…
EP 77 - Clark And Raff
On today’s episode, Skye and Anthony converse about a young woman whose fingers are light and her crime details unknown #1148 Eveline Clark (Burglary in the 2nd Degree) and a man whose life had two paths he could have taken – and he chose t…
EP 76 - Sparling And Goddard
As we continue into the second half of the season, Anthony and Skye profile a man whose trade in creamery stock ended up in a not so sweet jail sentence #2363 A.L. Sparling (Obtaining Money Under False Pretenses) and a woman whose cross-cou…